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your thoughts on age
so yeah what are your thoughts on age?
I hate it... well i hate how people assume it is such a big thing, I hate that you are only aloud to do certain things at certain ages, when alot of people younger then that age are more mature then some over that age, it really gets to me! I find that when people treat me as a lesser being because i am younger, That i will go on and rant at them and yell and probably kick them in the stomach and shins several times, just to try and get my point across even though i know they will not understand either way, and that bugs me like F*CK! I hate the idea that, if you are young you are more immature, then some one who is older... it is a lie! not true! sure it is in some cases, but that those not allow you to assume it on every one! I find that these people who are thinking that the younger you are, the more immature you are, desserve the rack.
Oh and sorry for that, just needed to get that out of my system... For the thousands time 
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| Generalization - The formulation of general concepts from specific instances by abstracting common properties. |
Simply put, people will take a few instances and pull out any common details and believe that they apply to all similar instances.
Generalizing is, in my opinion, one of the worst traits of humanity (along with greed and lust). Most people do it unconsciously, both because it done by others and humans tend to mimic each other, and because it is just something the human mind does. There are people who avoid generalizing like a plague (which I agree with), but they have to do it consciously, which means that even they can slip up from time to time.
However, like most traits (including, once again, greed and lust), generalizing does have a purpose. Generally speaking, generalizations are correct, which spares the person from having to relearn things with every encounter. Now, this isn't to say that generalizing is a good thing, but that it does have it's place in the human mind, but imo should not be applied in situations like the one you described. Unfortunately however, it is. A lot of oppression stems from generalization. Racism in particular is nothing but a giant group of generalizations.
So yes, I agree that people should not treat younger people as inferior beings. I personally avoid this particular generalization because of two things: First, I was treated this way when I was young(er), and still am to an extent. And two, because I have firsthand experience with brilliant young minds. I have personally witnessed a 9 year old outsmart my 19 year old friend. So just out of personal experience I've learned that age and maturity have hardly any connection. I find that as soon as a person hits the age of, oh say.. 7 years, their maturity is limited only by their own will and their experience with the world. And yes, I know that at that age people are probably not able to get out into the world and learn, simply because they are overly sheltered by their parents, something I will not do if I ever have children.
And in case anyone is curious, here is what I see as the purposes for greed and lust:
Greed is a byproduct and a tool to enhance our natural instinct for self-preservation. If one hoards all of the resources to oneself, it (supposedly) will ensure longer survival. Like generalizing, greed tends to bleed out of its necessity and infects our everyday life.
Lust is simple, it is an illusion to compel one into procreation, something that is also a basic instinct. And again, goes out of its way to interfere with the lives of decent people.
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| slayker wrote: |
| I find that when people treat me as a lesser being because i am younger, That i will go on and rant at them and yell and probably kick them in the stomach and shins several times, just to try and get my point across even though i know they will not understand either way, and that bugs me like F*CK! |
As someone who is constantly shocking people he's so young (most people think I'm between 27 - 28 because almost everyone I hang out with is in their late 20's to mid 30's), I tell you it's a gift. I'm constantly underestimated and I love it. Gives me the upper hand. I also love hiding my age from people and letting them think whatever they want.
Fortunately, being out of my teen years grants me the ability to blow people off who treat me in a way I don't approve of.
My advice for you? Enjoy being a teenager, the * you can get away with now you will look back on and regret not doing more. Get creative and have fun with life. I personally reccomend instigating social awkwardness, was one of my favorite pass times (try randomly flashing a sign at people that says "IT'S NAKED TIME!" then vanish.
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Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:49 pm |
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I believe that people should jsut be polite to others taht are older than them...however, the ranking system in the military works as well...
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Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:57 pm |
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let me just play devils advocate for a second here.
slayker, you say:
"i will go on and rant at them and yell and probably kick them in the stomach and shins several times, just to try and get my point across"
I assume this is an exaggeration, but if its not, this makes you less mature and more fitting for your age. Once again, I don't believe you actually do that.
moving onto my actual thoughts, I was never really concerened with how I was treated as a kid or young teen, but more that those who are older think they are more wise simply because they have been alive longer. This is ridiculous, and I make it a point to tell older people that follow this idea that they are in fact losing their personal credibility. Simply because you have been alive for 20 more years than me does not make you an expert on life or for that matter mine. Perhaps they have some wisdom since im sure they made bad choices before I was alive, but whose to say they learned from that and are merely giving advise they never follow?
it really lights a fire under my A$$ actually.
as for myself, most people thing im younger than I am, and I guess that can always be seen as a good thing.
but when it comes to actually being younger, use your words to really show how grown up you are and most of the time the older person will resort to saying "you should respect your elders" or "listen to me... because I said so". what does that last one even mean? who the fck are you? ugh.
also, dont swear when trying to make a point with someone. swearing is a clear lack of better vocabulary.
this is coming from someone older that doesnt take his own advice. ^-^
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Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:13 pm |
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From a purely psychological/neurological standpoint, I will say that it is true that you haven't matured as much as people older than you have...brain-wise. If you haven't already gone through it, which it is rare if you actually have, but you are a rarity in my eyes already so I can imagine it, then you still have the psychological stage of egoism to go through in which you will conceive your own "personal fable" in which you think that everyone is looking at you, be it in a favorable or unfavorable manner, it is something that everyone goes through in one point or another. That being said, if that were the basis that people were to judge a person's maturity or immaturity , by the perception that that person through their actions is under a state of a "personal fable" then there are many many children running big conglomerates and we have had many children presidents in the United States. But truly whether a person is an adult or not should not be determined by a certain fixed date, even though that is what is legally enforceable, but rather by their psychological state and as far as I can tell from you, as a person slay-slay...
Truly you must be a rarity, because I can see no egoism in you. Or I could just be blinded by these heart shaped glasses that I am wearing.
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Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:41 pm |
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Neurological? 
To be honest, I believe that kids should follow the ideas of successful adults...
I'd rather follow someone who succeeded in thier lives than those who constantly fail.
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Neurological?
To be honest, I believe that kids should follow the ideas of successful adults...
I'd rather follow someone who succeeded in thier lives than those who constantly fail. |
You have to understand...
I don't usually understand half of what I am saying...
I usually am saying exactly what I have heard my psychology mentor say when it involves psychology stuff. But I was thinking that was the wrong term but it sounded smart till you caught me on that didn't it? Didn't it?
But yeah... what I was actually referring to were the neurons, not the nerves. Pesky little neurons the word that sounds like it refers to you doesn't.
And I can see where you are going, but the problem with that is that life isn't an equation that is just so easy to balance, that is to say, your life and my life could both require radically different "solutions" so to speak, so following one person exactly (me following my mentor's word's exactly by taking the words out of context which is obvious now that I actually thought about what I was saying being a scale example) can lead to disaster, even if that person became a success because of the different aspects that make up you, your environment, etc. So the best thing a person needs to do is to look about at what a lot of people have done and see what works and what doesn't work and in how many cases that works and what the conditions were etc. etc. lots of boring stuff that I won't actually do myself, but I know would be great advice to someone who has a definition of success that is flexible enough to allow them to bore themselves to death.
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Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:15 pm |
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If you were to follow a person exactly; then you would end up exactly like that person.
People do not intend to do that; they want to get better.
So they follow some of thier "role model's" ways and experiment with their own to see if they can become better.
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| Lucky Star wrote: |
| If you were to follow a person exactly; then you would end up exactly like that person. |
well im not sure to what degree you are following this person. like, an actual mentor that you know and get actually feedback from or something that doesnt know you but you are taking all the steps they took in life?
either way, even if you follow someones foot steps, theres no guarantee as we don't all start out with the opportunities.
this is largely due to schooling and the such.
I could get more into it, as ive written papers on the subject but... i dont feel thats necessary as you guys and gals are pretty away that we dont all have the same opportunities in life and thus we all need our own path.
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Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:11 am |
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Papers? You mean like an EE? May I read it please? ^^
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Id have to upload it somewhere but i can hook that up. I'll try and link it in here before the end of the day.
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Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:49 pm |
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I wanna read it to!
And yes that was an exaggeration, I just thought it would be more comprehensible that way.
and lucky... Why be polite to elders when they are rude to you? seriously, who cares about being polite to elders, just be polite to everyone! there is no point in being polite to some one who is rude and will always be rude.
there really is no point to age, it is just the amount of years that past since your birth, give a 5 year experiences that a 30 year old has and they will be same mental, well, no, because everyone's mind works differently, and well one might have better capacity because of height and stuff, but mentally, it is experiences that make you grow and not age.
and just because you spent 50 years here, does not give you the right to be grumpy and expect everyone to be kind even though you treat them like *.
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I'm speaking based on the first impression; after that, it's up to you.
But regardless, don't you think you idea is a little bit extreme?
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To some, showing respect is a matter of earning respect.
I can see you probably think the way you do because of how young you are.
That's not an insult, it's just life.
I show my respect to anyone as soon as I meet them, but that doesn't mean that they'll keep it if they treat me like dirt.
Elders however, I try to show respect to no matter what.
Just because someone who's old acts grumpy to everyone all the time doesn't mean you should do the same.
The same way your brain learns as you get older, it'll at some point start deteriorating.
Some older people aren't rude because they want to be, but because they may not think and reason as well as someone in their 20s or even 40s.
As to age just being a number. That's not so... you said it yourself.
"experience"
Age can mean everything.
The fact that older people have been here longer than you or me should give you more of a reason to hold them in high regards.
Since you and I are so young, there's an infinite amount of things we can learn from people older than us.
Whether it be what they've done wrong in their lives, or an example of what we should try to be.
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