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What they bring when they come
I've been studying on how illegal immigrants affect the U.S. and i ran across some very disturbing things. check this out.
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_diseases.html
this is horrifying,I never knew they brang all of these diseases with them if they didn't go through a screen check.Some of these diseases were wiped out in the U.S. and are now re-appearing.I would just like to know your opinions on this.
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That source in general looks dubious and extremely biased. Considering it seems to be a site devoted to fighting illegal immigration, I would not trust everything they say about how bad illegal immigration is.
In addition, their attempts to connect new diseases with immigration is not very good. They do not consider the fact that just because foreign-born people have a disease does not mean they brought it in. In fact, it could mean the opposite, that because they came from a place that did not have the disease, they had less immunity to the disease and therefore suffered in greater numbers.
And some of the paragraphs were just blatant propaganda scare tactics, like this one:
"Remember the movie Alien and how the creature popped out of infected bodies? The Guinea Worm is a mini-version. Maybe your kids can take advantage of the experience on show & tell day."
I hate this article for trying to make uncertain evidence seem definite and try to take a decisive and potentially very harmful action based on it. If they really cared for the truth they would stop trying to scare the reader and start pointing out the uncertainties in their arguments.
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"Remember the movie Alien and how the creature popped out of infected bodies? The Guinea Worm is a mini-version. Maybe your kids can take advantage of the experience on show & tell day."
hahahaha.....no 'article' with a paragraph like that can ever be even slightly considered credible or even very factual at all; i expect to something like that on a comedy based website (such as cracked.com). lol.
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then why are there diseases that have been wiped out popping up in america.They had to of gotten here somehow,and all because it had something funny doesn't mean it isn't creditable.Some of these aren't scare tactics either.Because when they come over they are not vaccinated and they spread it.You can't say that no diseases are brought over from illegal immigrants.Thats one of the main reasons they come over here. health benefits.
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http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
I don't see why they would choose the U.S. over the 36 countries that have superior healthcare systems. In fact for poor immigrants it is worse than that since with no universal heathcare system it is a much heavier burden on them compared to if they went somewhere with that system. So no, that is not why they come to America, where healthcare is extremely costly.
Also I never said everything was a scare tactic. There is factual presentation as well, before it is skewed to fit their point.
Speaking of America being #37 in the world with healthcare, maybe that's why we're starting to see reemerging diseases? Because we suck so much at treating/preventing it?
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| Xeta wrote: |
And some of the paragraphs were just blatant propaganda scare tactics
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yes you did.Id go check my posts.
we would have time to treat it if our hospitals weren't so crowded.We do have over crowded hospitals.Some of this is due to illegal immigrants. hold on let me find some proof.
here is your link.
http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2003/feb03/psrfeb03.shtml
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| And some of the paragraphs |
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| Some of these |
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| I never said everything |
I don't see how I was wrong anywhere. "Some" does not mean "everything".
And I'm very interested in your proof. Please find one that is less interested in trying to convey a message than the last one.
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http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2003/feb03/psrfeb03.shtml
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i have a different problem. i mean yeah disease is trouble, but im more concerened (i use that word loosely) about hospitals. ill explain my point lol
my mom works in the OB department in our local hospital (she delivers babies). when someone comes into the emergency room to give birth, they do no id check. no citizen check. nothing. they by law have to take them. now. okay thats forgiveable i guess but then the baby has automatic us citizenship even if the parents dont. this happens all across the country and not only is it instant citizenship, but they dont pay a dime. they give birth and they leave. the child later in life has citizenship and can sponcer their parents for citizenship. Its pretty dangerous and i feel the 14th amendment should be tweened to stop the automatic citizenship. it should be more like, your newborn is a us citizen if at least one parent is also a us citizen. i think thats pretty fair. my mom deals with this all the time and we live in new jersey. the hospitals by the border of mexio, women come in still wet from traveling through the river nearby to get into the states and give birth and then leave. they are still wet from the river!
its pretty ridiculous.
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yeah that is very ridiculous.Your talking about "anchor babies."I don't think it's right that they do that either.I have no problem with immigrants that come over here legally.It's the ones that don't go through the proper rules to get over here that annoy me.They should just deport them no matter what.
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>.< well, it's not like it's easy to get into the usa legally, every embassy has different stuff they say...
i doubt all the embassies even know the proper rules...
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my grandmother had to do a bunch of things to come here. she had to memorize alot of things.It may not be easy but it is the right way if you want to enjoy U.S. benefits.
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That site was a load of bull illegals don't bring HIV into this country god I hate people like that who use scare tactics to sway peoples beliefs.
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How would you know?Illegal immigrants don't go through screen checks so they can bring diseases with them.So there is a possibility that they can bring HIV over,or aids,or leprosy,or even TB.
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I think disease are brought both ways, AIDS in Indonesia are brought by tourist, but some of them came back to their country with dungge fever, malaria, TB, etc,
Disease like antrax, SARS, AIDS, AVIAN FLU and many others are not found originally in Indonesia.
People do move from 1 country to another, muslim form all over the world came to mecca during hajj, it can also be the reason some disease are spread worldwide, the same thing applies to international cities like New York, Hong kong or London, and with incubation period 1-2 weeks people are not sick when they departing but spread it when they are arrived and settled.
With condition like this the governments are not supposed to worry about the money but their citizen health, any other reasons to denied free health care will just make it worst.
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