Pretty much. In the SMT mythos, there are many tiers of supernatural beings. Those that are called gods are somewhat different from the others, and these beings are a part of the universe which the Great Will created. Even gods don't compare to the Great Will, and frankly, any word of any language is inadequate at describing the Great Will. Another thing to bear in mind is that the world that these events take place in, was created under the Reason of Freedom. It's not that there is not "god" or that those in this world are entirely abandoned, but they must thrive or die by the moral choices that they make by their own free will.
Frankly, I don't see a bias for or against any one religion, there just have to be some accomodations and artistic license to make it work. Karma and reincarnation are not mentioned in the Old Testement, New Testement, or any apocryphal scriptures (excluding Gnostic texts, but they only imply reincarnation and never directly say it). In the SMT universe, aside from those who openly rebel against the Great Will, it does not take sides. (Personally, I think taking a vested interest in some of our topics of the day are beneath the dignity of a supreme being.) Rather than propping up whoever creates the most "correct" doctrine, it leaves the humans, demons, and gods to evangelize with the sword. Ultimately, it is who has strength of will and power to back it up whom the Great Will blesses with the power to remake the world.
On a final note, SMT is not out to create a new religion and uproot the old ones. To me, it's more a celebration of mankind's rich religious traditions. I think it's a series that takes a mature look at the human condition and reality itself. And I'm going to stop right there because I know the name of this forum.
Well, everything else is very well explained already, and what Boogie perceived as poorly worded, I explained much better through PMs, because with an RP like this, explaining EVERYTHING through posts is very much impossible, as everyone else will have a different doubt, so answering to questions one by one is much better. I did explain that the RP was not for just anyone, and I also warned that RolePlayers (endnekind) would eventually feel... "insulted".
I will re-phrase you Boogie, however. "God" is not "The Great Will".
People have to realise "God" is not a "person". He isn't human, there's no possible way for anyone to imagine nothing whatsoever. "God", in this RolePlay, is not an entity. It isn't considered, it isn't "followed" through a religion and it doesn't give a damn. So, "The Great Will" is not a repetition of what God stands for in the real world, because in the RolePlay, is actually grants power to those who strive. It follows your Reason and as you go along, it gives you power to achieve your goal and shape the World accordingly.
The christian catholic idea of "God" does not exist literally in the RolePlay and why?
1 - The definitions.
What is God?
Endnekind for example, defines God as "good, kind, caring, loving and REAL".
Alright. These are human attributes. There is absolutely no need for our characters to worship something who is the same as me or the next guy, if the World just ended and "he" didn't do squat about it. Am I correct?
I will reeinforce. The Christian idea of God -Does Not- exist as a material being, and will NEVER interfere with any plans whatsoever. Your character can believe in whatever the hell he wants, but there won't be any "God's hand saving the kid" in this story, because it simply would not make any historical/mythological/roleplay sense.
Also, the very name makes me giggle.
There are a million Gods in all the different religions, and the laziness of the human being striving to find something to believe in, afraid of what might happen after they die.... "let's call it just God, who cares?".
In ancient Greece, there were a lot of Gods as it were to worship, each belonging to a certain attribute. When the Roman Empire "took over", they stole the Greek Gods and changed their names. You know why?
Information. Hear-say. As they faced several difficulties, they heard that the Greece worshipped Gods who would aid them in, crops for example. And as they faced each difficulty, they would just pick out ONE God, change their name shamelessly, and worship them until they don't need to anymore, and drop them.
It doens't matter what each religious sees on each "God", it's people like endnekind that make the difference. I dispise the very idea of worshiping one simple God who apparently doesn't do jackshit for me, but I'm mentally mature enough to respect everyone else's beliefs.
Now don't get me wrong. I do believe in a higher force, I'm just not up to giving up my freedom to something I haven't seen, heard or felt. Romans did that, and they pretty much got * up their ass.
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Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:38 am
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...Well..., my signature doesn't truly match my definition of God. The full definition wouldn't fit in my signiture, and it would be disputed by many of my fellow Christians as well as non-Christians alike. (Story of my life >.<)
My definition of God is: Good, kind, loving, caring, REAL, self-sufficiant in every way, all-powerful, all-seeing, all-UNDERSTANDING, (as against the common term all-knowing, which, is commonly confused as to say that God knows the future and every little thing that would happen. See God's response to when Abraham was willing to give up Isaic. "Now I know."-God Meaning that he was not sure before. He can understand all possibilities, but because of free will, nothing is certain.)omni-present(everywhere at once), trancending existance itself, possibly inhabiting the empty space of the universe (That would definately make him omni-present, since all matter is mostly empty space and would make him as large as the Bible describes him.) gender neutral, that isn't to say that He has no gender at all, but that He is actually the origin of gender and is thus a balanced gender. The only reason that I use the word "He" to refer to God is because it is the only pronoun used to refer to a gender neutral living entity, "it" cannot be used because that implys a non-person. God is the origin of all things and the power behind all things and God is love. Now that I have said that...
As it stands now... I can see no harm in participating in this game now that hings have been explained. However, I am still confused about the entire ordeal >.<
I guess I am a little slow, eh? >.<
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You're my new favorite person, endy.
Gencdo wrote:
endy. I've decided you are now the proud owner of all my hugs!
Private Pansy endnekind of the Brotherhood
People who have hugged me:
crazed xINFINITY (Big hug winner! Gets exclusive oncoming hugs!)
Gary
Melkor
Arc
monausicaa
Tsuki
Kintai
SuperSayianBahamut
Gencdo
People who wouldn't:
Shandris (All her hugs are belong to neil)
Melkor
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Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:15 am
Omega Weapon
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Location: In the arms of my lover and master
ok... well if anyone wants to have an in-depth and intellegent discussion about God and or gods and godesses or the lack there of, thats fine with me. You can not incorporate a "God Does not exist" rule in this rp, as much as you can put Him as a "God does not come into play and is not a character in this rp rule." For instance if Endnekinds character wants to believe in God or even has a spiritual experience (as long as its not giving him some kind of power, or anything that will conflict with the rp) then he should be allowed to.
I don't condemn any person's religion or beliefes. Its like a work of art. Not everyone will agree on the definition of art and not everyone will be on the same skill level of art. But if you laugh at a 4 yr old for trying to draw because they don't draw exactally the way you think they should draw then you are a terrible person. THe best thing to do is smile, congradulate them on their achievement and move on with life. If they ask you questions, then you can express your opinion all you want. get what Im saying?
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Lets go dark and rewind the night, to see what we loose when we close our eyes, the drum beats in time with their cries, it stops when they find you.
"I will reeinforce. The Christian idea of God -Does Not- exist as a material being, and will NEVER interfere with any plans whatsoever. Your character can believe in whatever the hell he wants, but there won't be any "God's hand saving the kid" in this story, because it simply would not make any historical/mythological/roleplay sense."
Endnekind's character can believe in "God", but it is PURELY and SOLELY a choice of a personality fluke/kink/boost. It will not interfere with his power in any way possible, and will not really make any difference whatsoever in what regards the exterior. It is, like I said, a personality aspect to believe in God, and there's a big fat Full Stop after that.
Now that we cleared that, I have to apologise. Apparently I'm not the only one who has been busy, since only Melkor was around.
It's been hectic with school starting again and the two bands I play/sing in. It's been tough, and I apologise for not Posting.
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Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:08 am
Omega Weapon
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Why thank you for your understanding, Melkor *smile*. I'll wait until endnekind posts his "Trial", then I'll post my own. Since I'm to give the "opening" to the Vortex World, I'll have to be the last one to take the Trial.
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Daily Quote: "Learning without thinking is bad, thinking without learning is dangerous."
If you love Jesus Christ and are 1000% proud of it, put this in your signiture.
crazed4now wrote:
You're my new favorite person, endy.
Gencdo wrote:
endy. I've decided you are now the proud owner of all my hugs!
Private Pansy endnekind of the Brotherhood
People who have hugged me:
crazed xINFINITY (Big hug winner! Gets exclusive oncoming hugs!)
Gary
Melkor
Arc
monausicaa
Tsuki
Kintai
SuperSayianBahamut
Gencdo
People who wouldn't:
Shandris (All her hugs are belong to neil)
Melkor
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Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:58 pm
Omega Weapon
Age: 20
Joined: 24 Apr 2006
Posts: 18411 Karma: 652
Location: In the arms of my lover and master
Yes... but Riku said he was going to reply next... plus he kinda has to move the story along... but he just made a topic... saying (I think) that he's not going to be arround for a while... or he might have just been saying why he wasn't arround and now he is going to be arround... idk...
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Lets go dark and rewind the night, to see what we loose when we close our eyes, the drum beats in time with their cries, it stops when they find you.
Sorry about the delay. Reading the posts of Riku, looks like real life got real busy. Riku will come back later to resume regular activities, but for now we'll be on our own. By tonight I'll post something to keep it going. Basically, Tatsuya will be "reborn" on a different, unspecified point in the Vortex World. Oddly, I think even if Riku hadn't dropped off, the others trying to track down Tatsuya seems an appropriate first "quest."
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Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:21 pm
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Location: In the arms of my lover and master
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