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i have much to share and i want your opinion on if its real of fake....first i will share all my info on E.T.'s....
The alien and UFO phenomenon is so widespread and present in our modern times that it looks difficult to make even a cautious opinion. This monstrous category includes such various items as abduction, unknown races, crop circles, strange lights in the sky and a formal synthesis is almost impossible. Here, we will examine evidences, theories scientifically as well as esoterically.
Psychologist Carl Jung, in his book “Flying Saucers”, stated “something is being seen, but it isn’t known what.... This formulation leaves the question of ‘seeing’ open. Something material could be seen, or something psychic could be seen. Both are realities, but different kinds”.
Albert Einstein said, “as far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and so far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality”.
Timothy Mcveigh, recently executed for the Oklahoma bombing, blamed an implant in his brain for his actions and described several UFO encounters to police investigators.
Between 80 and 90 percent of (UFO) reports are misperceptions of fairly conventional, natural or man-made phenomena, hoaxes.
Theories about UFO and aliens are numerous but can be divided into four categories:
Intelligence from another planet with advanced technology
In the thirties, Mars and the Moon were the most popular candidates for hosting aliens but it seems that we have to go beyond the solar system to find the first planet with similar living conditions than the Earth. Though scientists last century thought the planet Mars might be a good candidate, and some even thought they detected a huge canal system stretching across the planet, recent probes sent to Mars have failed to detect even bacteria-like creatures, let alone a civilization capable of producing a flying saucer. With the rest of the planets in our solar system seemingly too hot or cold, the best hope for intelligent life seems to be across the void of interstellar space in other parts of our galaxy. If we do assume there is intelligent life in places other than Earth, where might they be? In an attempt to detect intelligent life beyond our solar system researchers have conducted a number of SETI programs trying to use radio waves to detect the existence of other civilizations. So far no SETI program has been successful in finding intelligent life, but there are millions of stars in our galaxy alone that might have planets that could harbor life and carefully looking at each one of them will take a long time.
Time-travelers
The chupacabra, or aliens that we are seeing would be humans of the future.... our own children.... travelling through time in order to prevent the chemical crisis that caused them to evolve into "chupacabras". This would explain the "time-line" of sightings and the secrecy of the U.S. government regarding their findings. Our future-humans arrive at times when chemical progress is at a peak - in order to either warn us or attempt to prevent the progress of the technology that will go awry and cause physical mutations. What might cause such a leap in evolution, to create the unusual appearance of chupacabra? Is it a large-scale chemical war? Instant, single-generation mutation? Or a slow, gradual "morphing" of physical structure in order to adapt to our habitat - which we created through ignorance? Is it a positive change, or a negative change? Certainly, chupacabra is not attractive to us, pre-historic man.
Psychic phenomenon
Aliens are only the results of hallucinations caused by numerous alterations of the mind of witnesses. This argument is used in most cases of paranormal apparitions wether it is a ghost, a Bigfoot or an alien.
Hidden earthly intelligence
According to this theory, what we call aliens would be pre-flood civilizations that have found a refuge in the depths of the sea or underground.
thats all for now...dont wanna give too much stuff in one post
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Given the fact that there are hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars, it would seem very likely that there would be life somewhere out there. But is this life intelligent? We do not know. We aren't sure what conditions are needed for intelligence to arise and how likely those conditions are. If we look at our planet, we see that intelligent life has only arose once. Out of the millions of known species on Earth, intelligence arose once. But even that says nothing of the likelihood, as it is too small a sample size.
Even if we say that there is intelligent life out there, we still have to be able to contact them. A species is finite. Humans will eventually die out. We only have a short time to develop the technology to contact other planets and locate the correct planets. Not only that, but the intelligent life on other planets also have to develop the technology to receive and translate the message we send to them. This isn't even taking into consideration the biggest problem with this. Distance. The closest star to our solar system is four light years away, but in all likelihood, the planet with intelligent life would be hundreds of thousands of light years away. This means that when we locate them, we are seeing them as they were hundreds of thousands of years ago, and they won't receive our message until hundreds of thousands of years after we send it. We won't know that we contacted them until they send us a message, which will take hundreds of thousands of years. Space travel will take even longer, since we wouldn't be able to travel anywhere near the speed of light.
As you can see, contact with extra terrestrial intelligence is nearly impossible.
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| Eldxale wrote: |
Given the fact that there are hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars, it would seem very likely that there would be life somewhere out there. But is this life intelligent? We do not know. We aren't sure what conditions are needed for intelligence to arise and how likely those conditions are. If we look at our planet, we see that intelligent life has only arose once. Out of the millions of known species on Earth, intelligence arose once. But even that says nothing of the likelihood, as it is too small a sample size.
Even if we say that there is intelligent life out there, we still have to be able to contact them. A species is finite. Humans will eventually die out. We only have a short time to develop the technology to contact other planets and locate the correct planets. Not only that, but the intelligent life on other planets also have to develop the technology to receive and translate the message we send to them. This isn't even taking into consideration the biggest problem with this. Distance. The closest star to our solar system is four light years away, but in all likelihood, the planet with intelligent life would be hundreds of thousands of light years away. This means that when we locate them, we are seeing them as they were hundreds of thousands of years ago, and they won't receive our message until hundreds of thousands of years after we send it. We won't know that we contacted them until they send us a message, which will take hundreds of thousands of years. Space travel will take even longer, since we wouldn't be able to travel anywhere near the speed of light.
As you can see, contact with extra terrestrial intelligence is nearly impossible. |
Not so.
As the way you are thinking is in the present day and time spectrum. Since the universe has been created, life has begun developing. We are miniscule compared to the age of all other planetary bodies out there. If your thinking in hundreds of light years, what makes you so sure that extra terrestrials didn't come here before the dawn of man or actual intelligence developed on this planet? With time being the biggest factor in the search for alien life, the perception of how real they could possibly be can be proven with just simple math. Dawn of universe is A....Intelligent man is Z. Between that is hundreds of billions of years of possible evolution stemming from all sorts of different conditions. Your telling me that just because we don't have the technology or experience to defeat quantum mechanics and fold the speed of light in half, that we are unable to make contact with otherwordly beings? Naive to say to the least. Ever wonder why the Bible has so many unexplained events? Could be cover up from the church, faulty records, bad translation, or interference of extra terrestrial beings. Keep your mind open.
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Not so.
As the way you are thinking is in the present day and time spectrum. Since the universe has been created, life has begun developing. We are miniscule compared to the age of all other planetary bodies out there. If your thinking in hundreds of light years, what makes you so sure that extra terrestrials didn't come here before the dawn of man or actual intelligence developed on this planet? With time being the biggest factor in the search for alien life, the perception of how real they could possibly be can be proven with just simple math. Dawn of universe is A....Intelligent man is Z. Between that is hundreds of billions of years of possible evolution stemming from all sorts of different conditions. Your telling me that just because we don't have the technology or experience to defeat quantum mechanics and fold the speed of light in half, that we are unable to make contact with otherwordly beings? Naive to say to the least. Ever wonder why the Bible has so many unexplained events? Could be cover up from the church, faulty records, bad translation, or interference of extra terrestrial beings. Keep your mind open. |
Do you have any idea how long it takes a star to go supernova? Anywhere from one million years (REALLY MOTHERF*CKING HUGE @$$ stars) to hundreds of billions of years (really small stars). The universe has only been around for 13.7 billion years. From the beginning of the universe to now: the Big Bang, three minutes later, the parts of atoms are formed. 380,000 years after the Big Bang, hydrogen and helium form. Within a million years of the Big Bang, the universe's supply of hydrogen and helium organizes itself into gigantic gas clouds. 200 to 600 million years after the Big Bang, the first stars and protogalaxies comes into existence. Heavier elements are formed in the star, and they eventually go supernova. Our solar system either came from the first round of supernovas or the second. 9.3 billion years after the Big Bang (4.6 billion years ago), our solar system came into existence (I know, 9.3 + 4.6 =/= 13.7, but you have to remember that these numbers are rounded off and that I got them from a science book). Life arose 4 billion years ago. Multicellular animal life evolved around 900 million years ago.The first vertebrates evolved 530 million years ago. 375 million years ago, the first amphibians evolved. 310 million years ago, the first mammals evolve. 200, 000 years ago, the first humans evolved. 47 years ago, humans get into space for the first time. It took us 13.7 billion years to get into space. What makes you think that aliens can achieve interstellar travel (let alone intergalactic travel) in less time?
And I was thinking in hundreds of thousands of light years.
Between A and Z are only a few billions of years of possible evolution. And, as I said before, we don't know what under what conditions intelligent life would arise. We only know that it only arose once on our planet, compared to flight, which evolved three times.
I'm telling you that it is extremely unlikely that we will make contact with extraterrestrial intelligent life.
What does the Bible have to do with it?
I do keep my mind open, just not open enough to let my brain fall out.
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Yeah... Uhm... I believe everything is possible, lol. But Reality, itself, is controversial.
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