EDIT: XD
i think i was taking your idea as a reply to a post it wasnt so what i put here might have been irrelevant so ill wait for you to explain it XD
i was gonna edit this originally into a paragraph explaining my take on what i thought your thing was in context to but i guess i shall leave that now xD
unless it was a reply to soemthing specific and needs discussed that would be fun
and i do understand though
i dont agree
if there was no sandwich 10 years ago
and will be no sandwich in the future
and there is no sandwich now
because people beleived there was a sandwich ten years ago
it exists?
i dont think so
it does in a sence
the idea of a sandwich exists but the sandwich has never existed XD
Though seriously if Im out walking around in the night to ASDA with the pedo/rapist/murderer/psycho of questionable sanity vampy....who do I have to be afraid of? XD
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Hark...ejaculated.
well the orbs have been explained as a lot of things lights reflecting from insects is another one
but
half the time you cant figure which one of the "realistic" things it could be so it could just as easily be a ghostly apparitionXD
Though seriously if Im out walking around in the night to ASDA with the pedo/rapist/murderer/psycho of questionable sanity vampy....who do I have to be afraid of? XD
Kuro Ryu wrote:
A warlock? Arc? ... I've heard weirder things about you to be fair actually XD
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Arc's children would be the spawn of satan.....
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EDIT: XD
i think i was taking your idea as a reply to a post it wasnt so what i put here might have been irrelevant so ill wait for you to explain it XD
i was gonna edit this originally into a paragraph explaining my take on what i thought your thing was in context to but i guess i shall leave that now xD
unless it was a reply to soemthing specific and needs discussed that would be fun
and i do understand though
i dont agree
if there was no sandwich 10 years ago
and will be no sandwich in the future
and there is no sandwich now
because people beleived there was a sandwich ten years ago
it exists?
i dont think so
it does in a sence
the idea of a sandwich exists but the sandwich has never existed XD
If you are going based off of what people believed, then you are missing the point. Did you read the part about functional effect and my example of me being a girl in my heart regardless of the fact that the majority of people don't believe that I am? It isn't about belief, it is about functional effect.
But functional effect cannot tell what was in the past, nor can it tell what will be in the future, all it tells is how things are effecting us now, at this moment, based on their effect.
Take what I said about Jesus for example.
Jesus exists right now as a person. I cannot say whether he existed in the past or whether he will exist in the future, but he has the functiional effect akin to how celebrities effect society. People like him, others dislike him. People get fanatic about him and others get fantatic against him. You get a full range of positive and negative responses to Jesus, which is what you would expect to get from a celebrity. You get a full range of level of respondancy "Who's that" to "OMG, It's Jesus!" as you would get from a celebrity.
Jesus exists as a celebrity in our culture.
Whether he has a corporeal form or not is irrelevant: He would not have such a significant effect if he did not exist. One may argue that he is just a concept and not a person, but I can argue that the majority of celebrities are merely concepts for the majority of people and are just as intangible to the common person as Jesus is. Indeed, my point here is that I believe that everything is just a concept, because you can have no proof of any substance outside of conceptualization. That doesn't mean that you are going to fall through your chair or anything. It just means that things that have the functional effect of being real, regardless of a corporeal form, are just as real as those things with a corporeal form. And as long as people react to Jesus as they would to a person, the functional effect is maintained.
This doesn't solely go for religious figures either. In the group phenomenal field of many Harry Potter nerds (self-semi included) these Harry Potter, Ron, etc. all have the functional effect of being real. It doesn't mean that people actually believe in Harry Potter as a person, but that is irrelevant. Harry Potter has the functional effect of being a person.
im trying to apply it to soemthing specifically in here , and to why you brought it up?XD
but no i understand it
i really do
i just dont agree with it XD
well not in as far as i can get from what you have written
i believe having corporeal form or proof of existance outside of a concept, is not irrelevant, as you stated.
i believe jesus does exist right now in a way like i said regardless of wether he is /was a real person or the concept of one, but not in the way i understand you to.
i dont beleive he is as real as say einstein is, or bradd pitt, or tim burton, he is not a real person, real yes, but liek you said as a concept, and you can argue that all celebrities are concepts, but they are also physical proven to exist people, and i wouldnt compare them to be the same as what is simply a concept at heart because they are not the same XD
although feel free to carry on, or explain it further, although i have heard this before its interesting, just not much i can say back that wouldnt be obvious to you XD
Though seriously if Im out walking around in the night to ASDA with the pedo/rapist/murderer/psycho of questionable sanity vampy....who do I have to be afraid of? XD
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A warlock? Arc? ... I've heard weirder things about you to be fair actually XD
crazed4now wrote:
Arc's children would be the spawn of satan.....
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im trying to apply it to soemthing specifically in here , and to why you brought it up?XD
but no i understand it
i really do
i just dont agree with it XD
well not in as far as i can get from what you have written
i believe having corporeal form or proof of existance outside of a concept, is not irrelevant, as you stated.
i believe jesus does exist right now in a way like i said regardless of wether he is /was a real person or the concept of one, but not in the way i understand you to.
i dont beleive he is as real as say einstein is, or bradd pitt, or tim burton, he is not a real person, real yes, but liek you said as a concept, and you can argue that all celebrities are concepts, but they are also physical proven to exist people, and i wouldnt compare them to be the same as what is simply a concept at heart because they are not the same XD
although feel free to carry on, or explain it further, although i have heard this before its interesting, just not much i can say back that wouldnt be obvious to you XD
A concept can exist as more than just a thought process...humanity exists because we perceive it to exist...for all we know we could be concepts thought up by another race. Perception doesn't mean something is real you can see...feel, even touch something but it still might not exist. A schizophrenic person might see and feel something that is there...they could touch it...smell it taste and hear it...but it is their own mind that makes it real...it is their perception. Arguing the ideas of concepts and reality is impossible because all humans perceive things in a different frame of reference...if I'm making any sense and not just jumping into something I should be...
that why when i say "I have my proof" when i mention ghosts, i don't usually show others the pictures. That whole night plus those pictures were my official proof. There's a lot of things that made me think there's a possibility that there are ghosts, but that was my own personal proof. I don't expect anyone to see ghost photos and say, "OMG! THEY EXIST!" because, like religion, belief in anything supernatural is more of an experience thing than an "I was told it's true, so it is" thing.
My whole concept of reality is as simple and as truthful as i can make it. Which is to take away everything.
No people, no laws, no emotion, no truths. then add on the basics of what you, as a person, can prove. If someone else proved it, that's special and all, but if you can't prove it yourself, it's invalid.
If i have an apple and i'm given another apple, i now have 2 apples. I do the same thing with religion.
There are religious and non-religious accounts of Jesus existing. That means it's about 75% certain that he was, at one point, a living person. As of proof that he's the son of god? we only have religious accounts and many argue with each other. and the ones that don't argue seem like they were copied nearly word-for-word. So certainty that he's the son of god is around 2-8%.
Certainty of god existing is more complex. There are no documents except for religious ones (and those are highly unreliable for unbiased opinions). So we default to life experiences. and, in 20 years, i'm at about an 85% certainty that there is some sort of god. It could be multiple spirits, it could have made the world, it could be the earth itself, they could have made some virgin in the middle east preggy a few thousand years ago.... doesn't really matter. But there's and 85% certainty that there is... something. It's a force of a sort. And i refer to this force as God.
and any doctor would give that schizophrenic pills and tell him he is hallucinating and what he sees is not real.
if i wanted to be philosophical about it i would agree to a point
but for all that it matters to me there is an easy defenition between real and not real
yes i could call it real because it exists in any way but i dont
so perhaps its just from lack of better words to differentiate between it for me other than real and not real.
i understand all of what you are both saying and no tifa you arent just jumping into somethign XD
like i said i agree with some and not with others thats just my view XD id gladly listen to more though perhaps you could even make me think about it XD
was the earth flat
that is a perfect argument for your discussion it was considered flat, we now know it to be a globe and have proof of it
if i tell my son his wall is blue when it is red, he knows it is blue and for him thats what blue is
does that make it blue? to me no, it makes my son an idiot for not learnign his colours in school
stupid kid
east candy all day
and does no work -.-
as for the religious proof comments which i am talking about proof and beleif not the concept of what is real
my view is
each person can have what they consider as proof and this will differ from person to person
but most of the time it is just an extension of thier beliefs
one person can have a dream of ghosts and call it a bad nightmare
a dream of god and call it proof of religion
see the pictures crazed took and call them light or a mark, not ghosts
and see jesus on toast and call it the work of the divine or vice versa
it is thier belief that lets them see it in this way regardless of other explanations
proofto me is something that is scientifically scientifically proven or as close as you can really get to proven.
or in the very least something that cannot be argued easiily and has a most likely answer although i would rarely go with just that and call it proof if ever
i.e. the ghost pictures COULD be a ghost, they could also be many other things, i dont know which, i would assume the most likely, which is it is not a ghost, although that too would probably be a belief like most things but i bas my beleifs on what i consider logic for the most part
i dot think i can honestly call myself atheist anymore
its possible even that im christian
its complicatedXD only 2 people where know i think XD
but i would still call it a beleif, there is no hard evidence to support my thoughts on it
and i believe in ghosts XD
and i say beleive not know they exist,
logically i know ghosts can be explained many ways for and against, probably mostly agaisnt if i base it just from "evidence i have seen, but i still believe, i dont know why, my upbringing, just a feeling, from what i have seen but i know can still be explained more likely in another way, i dont know, would i say i can prove it to anyone , no, would i say i can prove it to myself?, no, all evidencde i have found , nothing is hard, not even seeing them, although there is a thin line between believing and knowing sometimes.
although im not mixing the realism and proof or beleif comments together here to keep it simple just sharing my view aswell
i had to leave then pick that back up and put parts in, i dotn have time to read it over before work, so if its jumbled or confuing i apologise XD
Though seriously if Im out walking around in the night to ASDA with the pedo/rapist/murderer/psycho of questionable sanity vampy....who do I have to be afraid of? XD
Kuro Ryu wrote:
A warlock? Arc? ... I've heard weirder things about you to be fair actually XD
crazed4now wrote:
Arc's children would be the spawn of satan.....
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well now i remembered i dont have to go in just yet cos its saturday i would have edited it before posting XD
but if you got it i guess i wont need to go fix it XD
Though seriously if Im out walking around in the night to ASDA with the pedo/rapist/murderer/psycho of questionable sanity vampy....who do I have to be afraid of? XD
Kuro Ryu wrote:
A warlock? Arc? ... I've heard weirder things about you to be fair actually XD
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