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John Carmack's current opinion on 360 and ps3
Thought some of you might like to know this (maybe Fun can get a vid of this) :
http://www.megagames.com/news/html/console/carmackverdictonx360ps3power.shtml
Here's the ctrl + C version if you don't want to click the link:
G4TV hosted a discussion with iD software's big four, inevitably the interview strayed to the next-generation consoles.
iD game programmer and co-founder John Carmack, made it clear that he is an XBox 360 fan this time around claiming that Microsoft has made the better choices for this round of the console wars.
Mr. Carmack made a point of praising Microsoft's apparent love for the developer by stating that ...Xbox 360 has far and away the best development tools.
When asked directly whether he thought PS3 would be more powerful than x360 Mr. Carmack said, ...PS3 is probably marginally more powerful, in terms of raw flops and graphic operations, but that’s not really the best way to look at things. When you look at these development cycles that stretch over years and years, being 20 per cent easier to develop on is much more important than being 20 per cent more powerful.
Finally viewers were treated to Mr. Carmack's, and consequently iD software's, views on the new consoles, I make little nitpicky decisions about say, well, I prefer the symmetric approach that MS has over the asymmetric Cell approach, but you can do great games on either one of them, and I make fundamental decisions based on development tools and depth of documentation, which Microsoft has been superior on.
The views expressed by John Carmack seem to be in line with the latest stories coming out of developers who always seem to praise MS for making their job much easier. What we have to remember however, is that Sony is behind x360 in its progress and developers have yet to experience the full support the company is willing to offer, it is obvious though that learning to create for the cell will require adjustments by developers which may end up costing Sony.
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Yes I watched this yesterday on TV. However Id is an American based company so I am sure M$ already owns them behind closed doors. All you have to do is slip a known developer a few thousand dollars to make a comment like that and it would make both Id and the 360 talked about everywhere just like this topic you have created here.
I am pretty sure every American Developer will say that the Xbox is the best, and Id is in the business of FPS games only, and not every gamer loves FPS games so all of the other genres out there will still be on the PS3. The only current gen system that Id ever created a game with was Doom III for the Xbox, so they already have business relations with M$ so it wouldn't be in their favor to say that the PS3 is better. Besides that one opinion doesn't alter the fact that all of the hit franchises that are with Sony won't be on PS3. I won't even bother reading your reply Krut I am sure you will try to twist my words.
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it might end up being me.
it sounds like you think that Id and John have some corrupt issues here. and that they cant be trusted on their word on the next generation of gaming.
of all the outspoken developers i have to say that Id and John feel the most trustworthy of them so far. it may be that i admire their work. it may be that i know he is experienced. is he a sellout? if he has sold out before then that would definately lower the value of his words.
but what i find a bigger issue is that many people who are fans of sony all try to dismiss this topic for just another promotion by microsoft. (i have seen this in some of the various forums i visit, and have discussed it with my friends) if you take a look a the PS3 hardware you can actually see that even looks like a nightmare to program for. 7 processors. 6 of which are non standard DSP processors used for compressing/uncompressing video feeds in DvD players. and have completely seperate instruction sets than the final processor.
if you research DSP processors you will find that they can deal with media very quickly and much more efficiently than your PC processor. but gaming wize they are not the best. the power gain from 6 of these babies plus the PC processor core is really just above the 360 hardware specs.
also, every one of my friends who i told this too who were sony fans took this as an insult. and that confused me. its not like it will make the 360 better than the PS3 thats not at all whats happening here. its really the only thing the 360 will beable to hold over the PS3. developers wanting a little more power and can sacrifice development time will go with the PS3. developers wanting to quickly and cheeply make their game will put it on the 360.
i trust John's oppinion in this issue. he has experience with making software thats easy to code for (he did work with modders) and has been in the gaming industry for quite some time. if it shows that microsoft paid him to say that then my respect for him will fall. but i really doubt thats the case.
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Well most mainstream fans of a rival gaming company don't really take into account game development.
It's what happened to DC and Ps2 too where alot of gamers underestimated the quality of how easily game development could help DC provide one of the best early game line-ups for any console.
Not that I know what your friend's minds are talking mind you nor am I elevating myself to claiming to be able to know them. I'm just basing this off my own understanding of what happened in the events based off my personal experience and conclusion in the past.
To put it simply, I believe that the next gen isn't just a battle for the king of consoles but also the battle of the best marketing strategies because for the first time, there's actually 3 different yet very effective and proven strategies being implemented into the war instead of a more linear battle between what games are going for what system.
All these things though are behind closed doors and for most mainstream gamers who don't really look at it in a business perspective or a development perspective and just a gaming perspective, it might insult them.
I would guess the effect would be something that makes it seem like you're desperate to make the 360 better than the ps2 instead of just listing facts.
I'm quite sure my example isn't accurate but I do hope I did paint a possible scenario to why your friends might took it as an insult and I might have helped you in some ways to get a better idea and hopefully you can find the answer to what confused you.
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