There are actually two common idioms based around the phrase a kettle of fish. One is yours, which means “This is a different matter from the one previously mentioned”. The other is more of an exclamation: either as a pretty kettle of fish! or a fine kettle of fish!, meaning that some awkward state of affairs has arisen. The latter is much older, dating from the eighteenth century, while yours is twentieth-century and seems to be derived from it.
Nobody is really sure where the expression comes from, but we do know that the phrase a kettle of fish was originally a literal term. These days, especially in Britain and Commonwealth countries, we think of a kettle as a small enclosed container with a handle and spout for boiling water to make our tea. (I believe that Americans are less familiar with this essential item of kitchenware.) In the eighteenth century, though, a kettle was any large vessel used to boil stuff in.
There was, it seems, a custom by which the gentry on the Scottish border with England would hold a picnic (though that term was not then known) by a river. The custom was described by Thomas Newte in his Tour of England and Scotland in 1785: “It is customary for the gentlemen who live near the Tweed to entertain their neighbours and friends with a Fete Champetre, which they call giving ‘a kettle of fish’. Tents or marquees are pitched near the flowery banks of the river ... a fire is kindled, and live salmon thrown into boiling kettles”.
What puzzles scholars is how this literal reference became an idiom — assuming, of course, that the phrase comes from the custom, which is far from certain. There is a clue in early examples, in which the term was used in the sense of a mess, muddle or confusion caused by one’s own misguided actions. For example, in Captain Francis Grose’s Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue of 1811, it’s explained like this: “When a person has perplexed his affairs in general, or any particular business, he is said to have made a fine kettle of fish of it”. And a little later, Thomas Chandler Haliburton of Nova Scotia used it the same way in his Clockmaker: “There’s an end to the Clock trade now, and a pretty kettle of fish I’ve made of it, haven’t I? I shall never hear the last on it”.
Could it be that the contents of the kettles of fish looked messy after the fish had broken up under the influence of the boiling water? It would make sense of the early examples. But that’s just a guess.
Subscriber Henk Rietveld wrote to say that he had heard, while working in Newfoundland, that kettle of fish was a corruption of quintal of fish, a measure either of 100 pounds or a hundredweight. This is possible, since quintal was also known in the forms kintal and kentle in Newfoundland and New England, the last of which could easily have been misheard as kettle. It can’t be ruled out as a possibility, since the quintal was the usual way of measuring fish catches. Against it is the important point that the idiom kettle of fish seems to have been known first in Britain but that kentle is an American form.
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Aruko wrote:
Though seriously if Im out walking around in the night to ASDA with the pedo/rapist/murderer/psycho of questionable sanity vampy....who do I have to be afraid of? XD
Kuro Ryu wrote:
A warlock? Arc? ... I've heard weirder things about you to be fair actually XD
thank you for the cultural chunk arc ^-^
...no sarcasm there, it was interesting!
and uhm, yeah....either sephiroth, zidane...and the other character i don't remember! >.<
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huh....i don't think rinoa's that cute. that's just me of course XD in the game she seemed dumb :/....i thought this topic was dead XD
Death_Penalty wrote:
You eminate not only beauty, but a distinct knowledge of the inner workings of the mind, that even the greatest scholars on earth would be envious of. You walk on the water of life on the shoes of perfection and cast aside the sheer idiocity of the masses of inferiority
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ah...selphie is clumsy, not something i'd find attractive in a woman if i were into women XD hell *i* am clumsy on my feet *points at scarred knees and elbows* sometimes and i hate it when i am ; ;
though quistis is indeed cute ^-^ ....mature-cute? *shrug*
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You eminate not only beauty, but a distinct knowledge of the inner workings of the mind, that even the greatest scholars on earth would be envious of. You walk on the water of life on the shoes of perfection and cast aside the sheer idiocity of the masses of inferiority
Do you like Japanese stuff, no matter how insane? Then join Sakura no Ai ^^ throw me a PM and I'll gladly add you ^_~
I like the whole hippie thing she has going on and her cheerful disposition. Plus i can imagine Selphie being much better in bed than Rinoa but maybe that's just me.
So if you had to be a character of the opposite gender who would you be? and it may surprise people to hear that I'd be Yuna
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i think i'd be....
zidane XD that tail's pretty attractive XD might charm the ladies *shrug*
or...balthier XD i love his accent, it's just melting XD
or....cloud LOL apparently, we girls love all that dilly dally *shivers* couldn't they have made tifa made the dragging sound instead? -.-
and that's it i guess *shrug*
oh oh, i think i'd be fran if i could XD her accent's weird...just plain weird, and the ears are cute XD
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You eminate not only beauty, but a distinct knowledge of the inner workings of the mind, that even the greatest scholars on earth would be envious of. You walk on the water of life on the shoes of perfection and cast aside the sheer idiocity of the masses of inferiority
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...Not that I'd want to be a living dead, though But well, he's got a big Katana, cool voice and wisdom like no other ^^
If by any chance I'd have to pick another, I believe I'd want to be Rufus Shinra xD Power! Turks! ShinRa Corp! Mwuhahaha!
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You eminate not only beauty, but a distinct knowledge of the inner workings of the mind, that even the greatest scholars on earth would be envious of. You walk on the water of life on the shoes of perfection and cast aside the sheer idiocity of the masses of inferiority
Do you like Japanese stuff, no matter how insane? Then join Sakura no Ai ^^ throw me a PM and I'll gladly add you ^_~
Though seriously if Im out walking around in the night to ASDA with the pedo/rapist/murderer/psycho of questionable sanity vampy....who do I have to be afraid of? XD
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A warlock? Arc? ... I've heard weirder things about you to be fair actually XD
Hmm, let's see... I think I'd be Quistis Trepe or maybe Lightning from FFXIII ^^ It's a tricky question, because I never really gave it much thought before.
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