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 User is Offline Vanya   Post Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:20 pm
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You want the honest answer??? Yes, in some situations i do, i dont see it as murder because it doesnt have the full capacity to know whats going on, i feel its the same as pulling the plug on someone with life support whos clearly dead anyway!!!


O.k. listen to me. Just because you may not remember being a baby doesn't mean they don't know what's going on. You were a baby once....do you believe that if your mother thought you were a burden, she should just abort you? You have a life like everyone else. Well, they have a life too, and I believe they have the right to live!

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I dont mean this about you Vanya, but religion in general, you all have this one * plan that when the going gets tough, all you say is what would the bible tell me to do?
You all say "God gave us freedom of choice" Yeah... maybe he did, but he also says if you use that free choice you can go to hell!
and thats exactly what he says! God forgives all his children, then why is there a hell, when your dead you get a body that can do no wrong, theres NO need for hell!
i just dont like it when an argument for not liking something is GOD SAYS THIS IS WRONG... cause its crap cause thats NOT free will, you dont have a choice, you say do as god says or go to hell!

Tell me if you think thats right!


God did give us free will, and He is forgiving and Merciful. But He's also just. He wants us to live a good life. Listen to me. Hell was first made for ONLY Satan and his followers. It was not made for us. But then Adam and Eve fell and sin came into the world.
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Yes, but why do you think that we can't remember? As I said, I do not think anything is "really" living until it takes it's first breath. And what of children that god takes away within the first few moments of the youth's life? Is this any better than aborting the child, if it was known that it would only live moments beyond its entrance into this world. If this all-powerful god wanted to end abortion he would've created complications and destruction to those who follow it at the start, instead of letting it continue.
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Vanya wrote:

God did give us free will,
and then tells us what NOT to do...

Vanya wrote:
and He is forgiving and Merciful. But He's also just. He wants us to live a good life. Listen to me. Hell was first made for ONLY Satan and his followers. It was not made for us. But then Adam and Eve fell and sin came into the world.


in other words, we need to suffer because the first 2 people on the planet ate an apple... Smile
how's that for beeing cruel to babies?
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You not going to like this, but this is my real beleif on religion!
i believe jesus was real, but not in the way he has portrayed in the VERY over exaggerating bible!
the best example i can use to show what i mean is this video!

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 User is Offline elephant_lost   Post Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:36 pm
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I know this is going to probably make me sound like a bad person but I saw a vid of an abortion: Let me tell you it is not a pleasant thing to see....Seeing that and knowing women are willing to go through that whole painful process is...I can't think of the word...
My cousin is pregnant (busted condom and a dead beat bf) here father wants her to have an abortion...she isn't which is great I think, but if she wanted to I don't know what I'd think...It'd be sad to know the mistake of the mother is why this child won't live...
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 User is Offline wingzero   Post Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:46 pm
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how old is she elphy?
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She's 19, but I think the main reason she won't get an abortion is due to her religion and how freakin strict of a catholic family she comes from...she was drinking while pregnant she didn't even know she was pregnant cuz she was to afraid to go to the clinic....
I hope the baby will be okay.....
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i hope the baby is okay too...

Strict catholic upbrining?
drunk + Condom + sex before Marriage... = How strict was this upbrining? outta here
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Long line of alcoholism
Besides it's not like these so called "strict" catholics don't break many rules they are to abide by...
It's not like they can keep her from doing the wrong thing honestly as much as they'd want to, she is an adult....I guess...
I'm glad she isn't going to have the abortion, cuz I know she doesn't have to give the baby up seeing as she wasn't raped or anything...it might have been an accident but still.....in the ends if she were to have the abortion she'd be damaging her body for no reason....
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LMAO
That jesus vid is hillarious, typical random humour from Family guy
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 User is Online Gazzala   Post Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:41 am
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That jesus vid is hillarious, typical random humour from Family guy
Im afraid your missing the point stapler...
yes its funny, but thats not why i posted it!
this is serious, Jesus may have existed, but not as you guys beleive!
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lol im sure stappy got the point

as i said before religions are exaggerating...it goes for jesus and his miracles, the flood and all other "amazing" things that happened and are written in the bible..but also for other religions...its not only a christianity thing
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NO thats very true,
but christianity is the religion i know most about so...
it makes sense for me not to generalise!
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i dont beleive the storys in the bible are true what so ever, what i beleive it is is a book of old folk lore, that someone picked up by some fanatic and took them as the words of god. as an example, in the story of moses, he stood on land where sea once was( not the exact excerpt, but you get the gist.) what that could mean someone abided by the land of the law whilst at sea.

as for my opinion on abortion, im for it, and every person at abortion protests needs to go adopt a few kids, because one of the reasons women get abortions is because they cant support them financially, and if they do give birth to it, they usually put it up for adoption, because the cant support it.

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I have a question for the christian in mind!
Your book says everything happens for a reason... teh reason being Gods plan or Image or whatever...
so surely that means that, Nothing really is bad...
For what reasons do abortions happen?
because if that baby was going to cure cancer... then what reason was he "Executed" as you so moderately put it?
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